More disdain of democracy and the working man by the left
The title says it all.
"Brexit reminds us some things are too important to be decided by the people". It's one of several articles we have
read recently (all from the political left) that tell us that the common man is too uneducated and stupid to make important decisions, we should
leave them to our elected leaders and the appointed government experts. Sorry to bring reality and logic into it again but let's point out a
few flaws in that:
The most obvious one is that our elected leaders and experts are not guaranteed to be benign and act in the public good. Hitler was elected
and had the benefit of state advisors, so that made him a good leader of the German people did it? History is littered with self-serving,
egotistical or impractically idealistic leaders, both elected and otherwise, who have inflicted disaster on their citizens.
While it is true that those who acheive leadership will generally be more intelligent and better educated than average, intelligence
and education do not define political direction or views. You can find equally intelligent people on both sides of every political argument -
look at Camoron and Johnson for example - both highly intelligent, Eton and Oxford educated men and yet they had (or claimed to
have, which is what matters) completely different views on EU membership. You are telling us we should trust our leaders to do the right
thing but which leader is it that we are supposed to trust?
If the common man is too ignorant or stupid to make a decision on EU membership, why is he capable of making a decision in
a UK election when many of the same issues are involved? The various political parties have very different views on
the major issues like the economy, welfare and social services, world trade, immigration, defence and... ah yes, EU membership!
If we can't be trusted to weigh up those factors in a referendum, why can we trusted to do so in an election? One can only conclude that
some lefties do not believe in democracy at all.
If the common man should trust in our leaders to do the right thing, then surely you should do the same lefties? If
a Tory/UKIP coalition wins the next election you'll still be telling us we should trust our leaders will you? I suspect not. This protest
against the referendum result is just hypocritical sour grapes and I have no doubt that, if stay had won, you'd be praising the common sense
of the British voters.
Finally let's look at some recent history and one of those wise leaders, President Tito of Yugoslavia. He imposed a common government
on disparate nations, largely dominated by the most powerful state of Serbia, although he was from the small nation of Croatia. There are
distinct parallels with the EU today where the zealots like Junker from the small nation of Luxemburg are obsessed with trying to pressure us
all into a common federation that is largely dominated by Germany. And what happened? Yugoslavia fell apart in Europe's deadliest
conflict since WW2, having failed after nearly 50 years to acheive a conscencus between the constituent nations. The EU that Junker and
others are trying to press us into is even less likely to succeed given the greater divergence of cultures and languages. Yugloslavia is
just one example of the way that forced unions between people of different views and cultures rarely work. Not to say that they can't,
but what is the best way to find out if people feel they have a sufficiently common ground to make a success of it? Ask them of course!
PS As usual, we are delighted to see that most of those who comment on Independent articles have far more sense than those
who write them.
Why are the left so fucking illogical?
The Independent used to be one of our favourite newspapers but it's now hosting some screaming loony articles,
appallingly one sided, illogical and often innacurate, in their Indy500 column.
this one. Ah, so the UK has dropped from fifth largest in the world to sixth overnight! The importance of that rather depends on how close
the economies of France and the UK were to start with doesn't it? And it isn't even true as
this main Independent article states.
Even if it was true, it's quite absurd to make judgements based on a few days. Everyone expected the
pound and stock markets falls, it's the nature of the finance market, it's just a global casino. It's the long term that matters. The left is always
extrapolating from nothing. We saw the same thing two years ago last January when they told us, based on a few days migration
figures, that fears of mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania were unfounded. Can't find any recent figures but there were 219,000
in the UK 8 months ago and rising.
And why is blanket hatred of some groups ok?
The other day my nice loony religious lady overheard some shop assistants moaning about the older vote affecting the EU referendum result
and the one who served her seemed rather hostile.
Leftists have been blaming the brexit vote on the uneducated working class and the
boomers for weeks and one of the worst articles is again in The Independent -
How old people have screwed over the younger generation - in three charts. What would be the reaction if somebody did a similar article
showing how the ethnic minority vote affected the result, with "black" instead of "old" and "whites" instead of "younger generation" in that title?
Yet it's ok to use such terms when referring to older people.
Leaving aside the referendum, it seems too common to see articles blaming the older generation for things or resenting their relative wealth.
Is this totally unrelated to
the rise in crime against those over 50? I suspect not.
Every generation blames the one before
Ah yes, The Living Years by Mike and the Mechanics. One of my all time favourites.
Out of the frying pan...
I can well understand Scotland's desire to be free of the UK. It never works when people are forced into a union with others who have
different cultures and different views on what the future should be. People need to look at history - the Roman Empire, the Austro Hungarian
empire, the Ottoman empire, the USSR or Yugoslavia for example. As Scotland's case shows, even centuries don't necessarily solve the
issues. But this is exactly why we voted to leave an EU that was seeking more and more to impose a uniform government on disparate nations!
The Scottish really need to think logically about what they are doing rather than just act out of their historic resentment at the English.
They have already managed to get quite a bit in terms of self government. If we English can also get self determination and our taxes
do not pay for Scottish public spending, most of us would be in favour of them having even more autonomy. They are an important part
of the UK and their desires should not be ignored.
On the other hand, if they are a separate nation within the EU they will count for very little. They have a GDP not much different to that of
Greece. They will have almost no say in what happens and one seriously has to wonder, if they want to be a self determining nation, how
staying with the EU makes any sense.
Narrow Minded Youth
It is one of those myths that younger people are more open minded but the exact opposite is true.
Today we are seeing a lot of hatred
like this being whipped up against older people in the wake of the refererendum result.
It is quite true that younger people are more likely to embrace the latest fashionable ideals. In my hippy
yoof, many young people threw away their career chances due to their rejection of consumerism. Today many embrace similarly
unrealistic ideals, like open borders with little consideration of the consequences, or socialist societies, despite the failures of every
truly socialist/communist society there has ever been.
It is also quite true that older people are more 'set in their ways'. They prefer it when things do not change too quickly but that is down
to experience, they have seen it all before and tend to have better knowledge of the realities of history. The numerous failures of UK governments
to live up to their election promises, the many military failures by the West, the collapse of the USSR, the lack of bog paper in Venezuela,
they have seen so many great ideas come to nothing or have adverse consequences.
Being open minded is not about zealously embracing the latest idea, it is about being able to consider the pros and
cons of an idea and too many young brains seem poorly wired for that, their emotional need for meaning and purpose in their lives
overrides their ability to think logically.
You can see this closed mindedness everywhere today. The NUS "No Platform" policy has been used
to bar many who do not follow their liberal left agenda. It is impossible for any group to publicly protest about mass immigration without being
violently attacked by far greater numbers of "anti-facists" and the pictures indicate these are mostly young people. Ah yes, and those raping,
beheading Islamists joining ISIS, not too many oldies there either.
Maybe these hate-filled young fanatics who object to leaving the EU should do a Google of "violent protests Greece".
Lots of young people violently protesting aganst austerity imposed by the EU!
No need to say why.
PS I see Hollande is saying "The EU must be understood and controlled by its citizens. I will do everything to secure profound change
rather than decline"
It's a pity you and the other zealots didn't do that before instead of sending Camoron away with next to nothing you fuckwit.
A seriously reformed EU, with more democracy, that went with the realities of human nature and evolved more slowly, that was prepared to
learn from history, that put the real concerns of ordinary citizens above the unrealistic ideals of unelected, overpaid, privileged bastards is
something that I, and many others, would have voted for.
Why do the left so hate democracy?
Back in the 60s it was possible to have some respect for leftists. As real socialists should, they put the interests of working
class people first. The Labour party back then was totally against the Common Market, against globalisation and domination by large
Now all you see from many on the left is contempt for ordinary people, surveys that show Brexiters are less educated, dismissal of any idea
that they deserve a say in their own future. Everything should be in the hands of wealthy educated people who know best. Above all, they hate
referenda. A total fuckwit on Contractor UK was citing the fact that a referendum was used to give Hitler absolute power as an argument against
referenda in general. It's the sort of "argument" that is typical of lefties, maybe they should denounce reducing inflation on the grounds
that Hitler did that too.
a pretty typical item in today's news. Among the worst things Camoron ever did was "pandering to the right wing
of his party by announcing a referendum". Terrible! If you let ordinary people make a choice about their own future you must be
a neo Nazi.
Silly Scottish cow
Nicola Sturgeon is banging on about an independent Scotland again. Actually, she is not an idiot and will probably want
to make some firm arrangements regarding Scotland's currency first.
She can no longer join the European Union without also joining the Eurozone. Given the leftist nature of the Scottish, and the inevitably
struggling economy that will result, we are probably looking at another Greece if they join the Eurozone, their GDP is very similar. Like Greece,
Scotland will be totally dominated by the Germans and forced into stringent controls on public spending that they will not be too happy with.
The only alternative is total independence, difficult for a small country. Good luck to them but I hope to hell they are not allowed
to remain in any sort of currency union with England, we have been propping them up with the Barnett Formula for far too long.
Independence should mean exactly what it says!
PS Hang on! In just a few years' time the British pound will have the Prince of Daftness's face on it. Take it! Take it! Nicola, we don't
want it any more! I'd rather trade in old socks than have to look at that bastard's face every time I buy something.
This Silly Seacole Stuff
It's something that never seems to go away, arguments about the merits or otherwise of
Who cares either way? We really do need some icons to persuade the lowest performing minorities in the UK that they can succeed if they put
in the effort but is a black youth in a gangland area going to be convinced of that by the case of a lady who was 3/4 white, died nearly 140 years ago
and suffered the real discrimination that was acceptable at the time? And why would she mean anything at all to a Bangadeshi kid?
Surely it would make far more sense to make more of successful minority people in today's Britain?
The Next President
The US has a reputation for being socially conservative but, if Clinton gets in, they will have had a black and a female president
in quick succession. They have already had a disabled president in Roosevelt. Well done US! You are leading the way in breaking down
the barriers against the poor oppressed minorities!
Let's see, disabled president, black president, female president, that only leaves one
major discriminated against minority to go, the LGBT community. Say hello to 2020's new president.
Topic: The Next President
Comments so far:
As we have commented before too many have no ability to appreciate context, seizing on some single word or
phrase and ignoring all the words that actually define the point. This seems to be particularly a lefty/liberal problem.
Not to say all of that bent are illogical loonies, in general we find the leftist Guardian presents its case rather well, even if we don't agree
with it. Their "What has the EU ever done for my..." series of articles in favour of Bremain may be rather selective, we are all selective when
arguing our own case, but at least they appear properly researched.
On the other hand, the once sensible Independent now runs articles from the most irrational people you can imagine. How's this for
The 3 words Donald Trump said that made the Orlando shooting even worse. Gosh! What has nasty Trump said now? Shoot All Muslims?
Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!
We need to be tough, vigilant and smart to prevent further terrorist attacks! What an appalling racist suggestion!